XM sat problem

[Coyote]

It may be XM has lost it's eastern satellite, It has been posted on some
boards
the satellite "had to be moved" in order to receive a software update. It
seems
to me a software update would be an effort to work around a failed onboard
system and reset a redundancy system for use that most satellites have
built in. If this works fine, if not look for one or both old low powered
satellites to be moved to the east location.

Seems to me it's very unusual to MOVE a satellite out of it's location for a
software
update. Could it be a strong RF uplink signal would be used to try a reset
onboard
systems. A very strong RF uplink signal may affect other nearby satellites
and create
problems. Kind of like a CB trucker using a high powered illegal linier
amplifier
and burning out all nearby car radios. In the past my car radio was burned
out
by a near by CB radio when a trucker was using very high power.

And the devil in me suggests the NAB may have crashed the bird. LOL

[Porgy Tirebiter]

Post by Coyote
It may be XM has lost it's eastern satellite, It has been posted on some
boards
the satellite "had to be moved" in order to receive a software update. It
seems
to me a software update would be an effort to work around a failed onboard
system and reset a redundancy system for use that most satellites have
built in. If this works fine, if not look for one or both old low powered
satellites to be moved to the east location.
Seems to me it's very unusual to MOVE a satellite out of it's location for
a software
update. Could it be a strong RF uplink signal would be used to try a
reset onboard
systems. A very strong RF uplink signal may affect other nearby satellites
and create
problems. Kind of like a CB trucker using a high powered illegal linier
amplifier
and burning out all nearby car radios. In the past my car radio was
burned out
by a near by CB radio when a trucker was using very high power.
And the devil in me suggests the NAB may have crashed the bird. LOL

Pure GARBAGE......
The 85ºW sat is fine, it's a software issue with the uplink....
You dont move a sat to upgrade it.....
Sats are 2º spacing and freq co-ordinated..they dont work like CB radios....
They couldnt move them that quickly if they needed to as a "Drift" takes one
day to move 0.5 degrees. do the math 0.5 degrees a day for 30 degrees 115º
to 85 º is SIXTY DAYS.

The NAB didnt crash anything..the satellite is fine...telemetry shows
housekeeping is fine. Go watch TV for a few more hours.

[Coyote]

Post by Porgy Tirebiter

Post by Coyote
It may be XM has lost it's eastern satellite, It has been posted on some
boards
the satellite "had to be moved" in order to receive a software update.
It seems
to me a software update would be an effort to work around a failed
onboard system and reset a redundancy system for use that most
satellites have built in. If this works fine, if not look for one or
both old low powered satellites to be moved to the east location.
Seems to me it's very unusual to MOVE a satellite out of it's location
for a software
update. Could it be a strong RF uplink signal would be used to try a
reset onboard
systems. A very strong RF uplink signal may affect other nearby
satellites and create
problems. Kind of like a CB trucker using a high powered illegal linier
amplifier
and burning out all nearby car radios. In the past my car radio was
burned out
by a near by CB radio when a trucker was using very high power.
And the devil in me suggests the NAB may have crashed the bird. LOL

Pure GARBAGE......
The 85ºW sat is fine, it's a software issue with the uplink....
You dont move a sat to upgrade it.....
Sats are 2º spacing and freq co-ordinated..they dont work like CB radios....
They couldnt move them that quickly if they needed to as a "Drift" takes
one day to move 0.5 degrees. do the math 0.5 degrees a day for 30 degrees
115º to 85 º is SIXTY DAYS.
The NAB didnt crash anything..the satellite is fine...telemetry shows
housekeeping is fine. Go watch TV for a few more hours.

Taken from satellite standard.

"XM Satellite radio's newer satellites (XM#3) is the one that had
difficulty.

The good news is that it appears that software and a repositioning of the
satellite will be able to correct the issue.

Wedbush Excerpt:

Wedbush confirmed with XMSR that its XM-3 satellite suffered an in-orbit
difficulty earlier today. Firm learned that in order to fix this issue, XMSR
had to perform a software upgrade on the satellite, which required the
satellite to be re-oriented to be corrected. That process also reportedly
required the satellite to stop broadcasting. XMSR has yet to issue a press
release or post some sort of update on its website to its subscribers. Based
on firm's experience, it is not common for broadcast satellites to stop
broadcasting in order to be "fixed". Keep in mind, it is not uncommon for
satellites to report yearly availability rates of 99.999%. Thus, this type
of service disruption is a natural concern. Obviously, once the satellite
resumes broadcasting and XMSR's service is back on track, their concerns
would be resolved."
http://satellitestandard.blogspot.com/

A high RF could IMO transend 2 degree spacing. In prior years I used a old
C band dish that got slightly warped. It worked fine until satellite spacing
was reduced
to around 2 or three degrees then it was jumbled with two video signals from
2 sats.
Shucks my current DirecTV dish looks a 5 satellites at the same time. A
uplink CAN
do the same.

[Porgy Tirebiter]

Post by Coyote

Post by Porgy Tirebiter

Post by Coyote
It may be XM has lost it's eastern satellite, It has been posted on
some boards
the satellite "had to be moved" in order to receive a software update.
It seems
to me a software update would be an effort to work around a failed
onboard system and reset a redundancy system for use that most
satellites have built in. If this works fine, if not look for one or
both old low powered satellites to be moved to the east location.
Seems to me it's very unusual to MOVE a satellite out of it's location
for a software
update. Could it be a strong RF uplink signal would be used to try a
reset onboard
systems. A very strong RF uplink signal may affect other nearby
satellites and create
problems. Kind of like a CB trucker using a high powered illegal linier
amplifier
and burning out all nearby car radios. In the past my car radio was
burned out
by a near by CB radio when a trucker was using very high power.
And the devil in me suggests the NAB may have crashed the bird. LOL

Pure GARBAGE......
The 85ºW sat is fine, it's a software issue with the uplink....
You dont move a sat to upgrade it.....
Sats are 2º spacing and freq co-ordinated..they dont work like CB radios....
They couldnt move them that quickly if they needed to as a "Drift" takes
one day to move 0.5 degrees. do the math 0.5 degrees a day for 30 degrees
115º to 85 º is SIXTY DAYS.
The NAB didnt crash anything..the satellite is fine...telemetry shows
housekeeping is fine. Go watch TV for a few more hours.

Taken from satellite standard.
"XM Satellite radio's newer satellites (XM#3) is the one that had
difficulty.
The good news is that it appears that software and a repositioning of the
satellite will be able to correct the issue.
Wedbush confirmed with XMSR that its XM-3 satellite suffered an in-orbit
difficulty earlier today. Firm learned that in order to fix this issue,
XMSR had to perform a software upgrade on the satellite, which required
the satellite to be re-oriented to be corrected. That process also
reportedly required the satellite to stop broadcasting. XMSR has yet to
issue a press release or post some sort of update on its website to its
subscribers. Based on firm's experience, it is not common for broadcast
satellites to stop broadcasting in order to be "fixed". Keep in mind, it
is not uncommon for satellites to report yearly availability rates of
99.999%. Thus, this type of service disruption is a natural concern.
Obviously, once the satellite resumes broadcasting and XMSR's service is
back on track, their concerns would be resolved."
http://satellitestandard.blogspot.com/
A high RF could IMO transend 2 degree spacing. In prior years I used a old
C band dish that got slightly warped. It worked fine until satellite
spacing was reduced
to around 2 or three degrees then it was jumbled with two video signals
from 2 sats.
Shucks my current DirecTV dish looks a 5 satellites at the same time. A
uplink CAN
do the same.

Your DirecTV dish is NOT a prime focus UPLINK dish and works entirely
different.
XM's uplink is on the 7Ghz band..the neighbors (one Ku band sat) has it's
uplink on 14Ghz...no interference there.
The satellite is a linear translator, the "Software" is at the uplink.
Here is a "BIGGY"
Read carefully.....then read it again.....

**** THIS WAS A PLANNED SOFTWARE UPGRADE****
It was SCHEDULED for 11:55Am Washington DC time. This was not a failure.
It was scheduled for a 2 hour window....this is a HUMAN screw-up.

This info was posted yesterday, and it makes sense (so far) There is a ton
of Bullshit floating to the surface, most of it coming from people who have
no idea how this stuff works.

[Coyote]

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
**** THIS WAS A PLANNED SOFTWARE UPGRADE****
It was SCHEDULED for 11:55Am Washington DC time. This was not a failure.
It was scheduled for a 2 hour window....this is a HUMAN screw-up.
This info was posted yesterday, and it makes sense (so far) There is a ton
of Bullshit floating to the surface, most of it coming from people who
have no idea how this stuff works.

Hmmm Talking about yourself I see.

2 hour window...my ass. I doubt the satellite will return to service.
today, tomorrow
or ever?

Perhaps Jacoby can get some clarity from XM and inform investors as to the
total existing
problem with the satellite. XM may be derelict in not reporting ALL the
facts in regard to the outage.

[Kimba W. Lion]

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
**** THIS WAS A PLANNED SOFTWARE UPGRADE****
It was SCHEDULED for 11:55Am Washington DC time. This was not a failure.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Why take a sat down for an "upgrade" in the middle of the day? This was an
emergency, not anything planned by anyone with an IQ above room temperature.

It obviously IS a failure, since the sat is not working LONG after the
supposedly planned outage.

Of course, given XM's re-definition of "uncensored", maybe it WAS all
"planned" and "not a failure"...but only in XMspeak, of course.

[Usenet Messages]

Post by Kimba W. Lion

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
**** THIS WAS A PLANNED SOFTWARE UPGRADE****
It was SCHEDULED for 11:55Am Washington DC time. This was not a failure.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
Why take a sat down for an "upgrade" in the middle of the day? This was an
emergency, not anything planned by anyone with an IQ above room temperature.
It obviously IS a failure, since the sat is not working LONG after the
supposedly planned outage.
Of course, given XM's re-definition of "uncensored", maybe it WAS all
"planned" and "not a failure"...but only in XMspeak, of course.

More *fine* engineering choices by XM engineers.

Sirius has never had satellite problems, and XM can't keep the darn
things working for more than a couple of years! LOL.

I do feel sorry for XM subscribers, having to feel the results of XM's
poor choice of geosync orbits for their 2nd rate satellites. XM
should have used the superior orbit used by the Sirius satellites.

[vanguard]

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
Pure GARBAGE......
the satellite is fine...telemetry shows housekeeping is fine.
Go watch TV for a few more hours.

This is the same guy who called himself "Bob's Backfire Burrito" yesterday,
and assured us this was a planned event that would be over in 2 hours.

The goof can't remember what his Name is 2 days in a row, but other than
that.... he has got ALL the answers ! "Pure Garbage" indeed. lol.


Vanguard

[Porgy Tirebiter]

Post by vanguard

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
Pure GARBAGE......
the satellite is fine...telemetry shows housekeeping is fine.
Go watch TV for a few more hours.

This is the same guy who called himself "Bob's Backfire Burrito" yesterday,
and assured us this was a planned event that would be over in 2 hours.
The goof can't remember what his Name is 2 days in a row, but other than
that.... he has got ALL the answers ! "Pure Garbage" indeed.
lol.
Vanguard

Bob didn't tell you it would be over in two hours, XM said it was a 2 hour
window... for the software update...

.

[vanguard]

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
Bob didn't tell you it would be over in two hours, XM said it was a 2 hour
window... for the software update...

Nice try, but no cigar. Here's what YOU wrote yesterday to

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
It will take about 2 hours to upgrade things.
This is how rumors get started. It's a service issue with
the East satellite. THIS IS A SCHEDULED EVENT!.

'

A closing thought to Burrito Bob .... or Porgy .... or whatever name
you use tomorrow....

If you ever wondered why so many people dislike you, go back and
re-read your posts here.

The operative words are "condescending" ... "contemptuous" and
"belittling".

Even if you had been right, and service returned in 2 hours, your
snarling know-it-all tone is a millstone around your neck... and not
just in the make-believe cyber world.

This was an emergency situation, people were asking legitimate
questions. Your response was to tell them how stupid they are.
What does that make you?

Vanguard

[Porgy Tirebiter]

Post by vanguard

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
Bob didn't tell you it would be over in two hours, XM said it was a 2 hour
window... for the software update...

Nice try, but no cigar. Here's what YOU wrote yesterday to

Post by Porgy Tirebiter
It will take about 2 hours to upgrade things.
This is how rumors get started. It's a service issue with
the East satellite. THIS IS A SCHEDULED EVENT!.

'
A closing thought to Burrito Bob .... or Porgy .... or whatever name
you use tomorrow....
If you ever wondered why so many people dislike you, go back and
re-read your posts here.
The operative words are "condescending" ... "contemptuous" and
"belittling".
Even if you had been right, and service returned in 2 hours, your
snarling know-it-all tone is a millstone around your neck... and not
just in the make-believe cyber world.
This was an emergency situation, people were asking legitimate
questions. Your response was to tell them how stupid they are.
What does that make you?
Vanguard

Think what you like dude....
I work for the same place as Bob, but he is usually on his laptop.
Bob is certified NUTS...but he knows his stuff about satellite transmission.
Bob was told by an insider that the window was 2 hours.
personally speaking...I don't care what you think, I refuse to get excited
about it or you.
Take it as you may, this is Usenet.
Condescending/ Contemptuous/ Belittling yep..your accurate! I have little
respect for people that pretend to know what they are doing.
I have more respect for someone that says "I don't know" than one that says
he KNOWS the satellite failed...you understand that I am sure.
You will find that Usenet is full of Bullshitters, Keyboard Warriors and
Blowhards.I have little time for them if any at all.

Problem solved, you have 100% of your Xm service back now, but I sure would
look into WHY your system didn't have the performance to work with one
satellite only.
3 of mine worked fine on Sat XM-4, yours should have too...unless you live
underground or you are in a place you can't see 40º above the Horizon.

[Coyote]

OFF Topic.

Many years ago when HBO was just on a C Band satellite and unscrambled or in
the clear a satellite tech. using a very large uplink dish focused it at the
HBO satellite and hit it with a very strong video signal that overrode HBO
program for a few seconds. As the
event was recorded the FCC was able to finger print the brand of uplink
system used
and nailed the tech. I think he was based in Florida and used a very large
C band dish.
As I recall around 19, 20 feet in diameter.