Is XM Canada padding its subscriber counts?

[Coyote]

snip
"In announcing the numbers in a written statement issued this morning, XM
said its subscriber numbers now include vehicles factory-activated
subscriptions. Factory activated subs occur when an automaker agrees to pay
for a portion or all of the trial period service when someone buys a new
car."

Link to complete article:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/1736/1/

This is the same think XM USA did until one or two years later 50% churn
caught up with XM's inflated sub numbers. then XM went to NET subs that only
included OEM trial subs that paid for a sub after trial period.

[Tom]

you mean like sirius does?

Post by Coyote
snip
"In announcing the numbers in a written statement issued this morning, XM
said its subscriber numbers now include vehicles factory-activated
subscriptions. Factory activated subs occur when an automaker agrees to
pay for a portion or all of the trial period service when someone buys a
new car."
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/1736/1/
This is the same think XM USA did until one or two years later 50% churn
caught up with XM's inflated sub numbers. then XM went to NET subs that
only included OEM trial subs that paid for a sub after trial period.

[Coyote]

Post by Tom
you mean like sirius does?

No Tom. Can you read "paying subscribers"

in this snip?

"TORONTO, Feb. 13 /CNW/ - SIRIUS Canada Inc., Canada's fastest growing
satellite radio provider with 110 full-time channels, announced today that
it
has surpassed 300,000 paying subscribers nationwide, with more than 100,000
of
those subscribers joining since November 22, 2006."

Link to complete news item.

http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/February2007/13/c7641.html

[Tom]

sirius usa does it and you know it.

Post by Coyote

Post by Tom
you mean like sirius does?

No Tom. Can you read "paying subscribers"
in this snip?
"TORONTO, Feb. 13 /CNW/ - SIRIUS Canada Inc., Canada's fastest growing
satellite radio provider with 110 full-time channels, announced today that
it
has surpassed 300,000 paying subscribers nationwide, with more than
100,000 of
those subscribers joining since November 22, 2006."
Link to complete news item.
http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/February2007/13/c7641.html

[Coyote]

Post by Tom
sirius usa does it and you know it.

No true.....as subscripton is PAID not Comp. as XM did in the past.

And You Know IT!

Post by Tom

Post by Coyote

Post by Tom
you mean like sirius does?

No Tom. Can you read "paying subscribers"
in this snip?
"TORONTO, Feb. 13 /CNW/ - SIRIUS Canada Inc., Canada's fastest growing
satellite radio provider with 110 full-time channels, announced today
that it
has surpassed 300,000 paying subscribers nationwide, with more than
100,000 of
those subscribers joining since November 22, 2006."
Link to complete news item.
http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/February2007/13/c7641.html

[Tom]

you're lying and you know it.

shouldn't you be listening to the new lacorsse show right now? it's all the
rage.

Post by Coyote

Post by Tom
sirius usa does it and you know it.

No true.....as subscripton is PAID not Comp. as XM did in the past.
And You Know IT!

Post by Tom

Post by Coyote

Post by Tom
you mean like sirius does?

No Tom. Can you read "paying subscribers"
in this snip?
"TORONTO, Feb. 13 /CNW/ - SIRIUS Canada Inc., Canada's fastest growing
satellite radio provider with 110 full-time channels, announced today
that it
has surpassed 300,000 paying subscribers nationwide, with more than
100,000 of
those subscribers joining since November 22, 2006."
Link to complete news item.
http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/February2007/13/c7641.html

[Tom]

the same reason 99% of america won't. good luck with that.

Post by Tom
shouldn't you be listening to the new lacorsse show right now? it's all the
rage.

Take a look tom...Why don't you tune in?
NLL & SIRIUS ANNOUNCE LACROSSE TALK SHOW
03/07/2007
New York Titans forward Casey Powell will host a weekly lacrosse talk show
on SIRIUS Satellite Radio. Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey
Powell debuts on Saturday at 9pm Eastern.From Press Release
NEW YORK - March 7, 2007 - SIRIUS Satellite Radio and the National
Lacrosse League announced today that New York Titans star forward Casey
Powell will host a weekly lacrosse talk show exclusively on SIRIUS.
Inside The National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell will debut Saturday,
March 10 at 9:00 pm ET on SIRIUS channel 114, leading into SIRIUS'
play-by-play coverage of the NLL All-Star Game at 10:00 pm ET. The weekly
one-hour show, which will feature highlights, news and analysis, will air
prior to SIRIUS' NLL "Game of the Week" coverage and will be broadcast
exclusively on SIRIUS in both the U.S. and in Canada.
"I am extremely excited to work with SIRIUS Satellite Radio. It's a great
opportunity to represent the players of the NLL through this unique
forum," said Powell. "This partnership between NLL and SIRIUS is a huge
step for lacrosse and I look forward to giving lacrosse fans and players
across North America the inside scoop throughout the season."
Casey Powell is in his fifth National Lacrosse League season and currently
plays for the New York Titans. A three-time All-American and two-time NCAA
Most Outstanding Player at Syracuse University, Powell was the first
overall draft pick in the 1998 National Lacrosse League Entry Draft, taken
by the Rochester Knighthawks. The Titans team captain was recently
selected as an Eastern Division All-Star and will play at the 2007 NLL
All-Star Game on March 10th at Rose Garden in Portland, Oregon. The 2007
All-Star selection is the third such honor of his NLL career.
SIRIUS Satellite Radio is the exclusive Official Satellite Radio Partner
of the NLL, North America's professional indoor lacrosse league,
broadcasting a live NLL "Game of the Week" throughout the season plus the
Champion's Cup Playoffs.
NLL on SIRIUS (All times ET)
Saturday, March 10th - channel 114
9:00 PM - Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell
10:00 PM - NLL All-Star Game
Saturday, March 16th - channel 140
8:00 PM - Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell
Saturday, March 24th - channel 140
6:30 PM - Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell
Saturday, March 31st - channel 140
6:35 PM - Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell
Saturday, April 7th - channel 140
6:30 PM - Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell
Saturday, April 14th - channel 140
8:00 PM - Inside the National Lacrosse League with Casey Powell
Post-season schedule TBD.
SIRIUS is also the Official Satellite Radio Partner of the NFL, NASCAR,
NBA, NHL, Wimbledon Championships and Barclays English Premier League and
broadcasts play-by-play for more than 150 college teams, including the
entire NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship (March 13 - April 2,
2007).
http://www.nll.com/article.php?id=2800

[N***@gmail.com]

Post by Coyote
"In announcing the numbers in a written statement issued this morning, XM
said its subscriber numbers now include vehicles factory-activated
subscriptions. Factory activated subs occur when an automaker agrees to pay
for a portion or all of the trial period service when someone buys a new
car."
This is the same think XM USA did until one or two years later 50% churn
caught up with XM's inflated sub numbers. then XM went to NET subs that only
included OEM trial subs that paid for a sub after trial period.

XM Canada is just counting subscribers the same way SIRI does -- and
while it is a sleezy tactic, you can't blame them for doing it when
SIRI is making bogus claims about their market share based on parking-
lot subs.

Neither company should be doing it, but it is tough to condemn XM
Canada for doing something that Sirius has done from the outset.

XM Canada at least had the integrity to make it clear what they are
doing -- unlike SIRI, which hid it, nondisclosed, for years.

[David]

Post by N***@gmail.com

Post by Coyote
"In announcing the numbers in a written statement issued this morning, XM
said its subscriber numbers now include vehicles factory-activated
subscriptions. Factory activated subs occur when an automaker agrees to pay
for a portion or all of the trial period service when someone buys a new
car."
This is the same think XM USA did until one or two years later 50% churn
caught up with XM's inflated sub numbers. then XM went to NET subs that only
included OEM trial subs that paid for a sub after trial period.

XM Canada is just counting subscribers the same way SIRI does -- and
while it is a sleezy tactic, you can't blame them for doing it when
SIRI is making bogus claims about their market share based on parking-
lot subs.
Neither company should be doing it, but it is tough to condemn XM
Canada for doing something that Sirius has done from the outset.
XM Canada at least had the integrity to make it clear what they are
doing -- unlike SIRI, which hid it, nondisclosed, for years.

So, since Bill Clinton did the same thing, it's OK if Bush lies too?

[N***@gmail.com]

Post by David
So, since Bill Clinton did the same thing, it's OK if Bush lies too?

I didn't say anything like that.

[Randy Mitchell]

Post by David
So, since Bill Clinton did the same thing, it's OK if Bush lies too?

Exactly what did Bush lie about?

J. Randy

[David]

Post by Randy Mitchell

Post by David
So, since Bill Clinton did the same thing, it's OK if Bush lies too?

Exactly what did Bush lie about?
J. Randy

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that
said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

--------------------------------
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

[N***@gmail.com]

I'm not sure those would be considered "lies" by a rational person --
not in the sense of sworn testimony in a deposition, or anything like
that.

[David]

Post by N***@gmail.com
I'm not sure those would be considered "lies" by a rational person --
not in the sense of sworn testimony in a deposition, or anything like
that.

Perhaps if he would ever agree to be deposed under oath...

[n***@hotmail.com]

Post by N***@gmail.com
I'm not sure those would be considered "lies" by a rational person --
not in the sense of sworn testimony in a deposition, or anything like
that.

Lying under oath is generally called perjury. Knowingly telling an
untruth is considered lying by most people.

Whether Bush lied about the reasons for invading Iraq is still
debatable I guess. Though I think fewer and fewer people are willing
to believe any of his earlier claims. The whole Iraq involvment in 911
and wmd excuses didn't pan out so he just went the "bringing democracy
to the people of Iraq" route.

I personally think all politicians lie. They pretty much have to do it
to get elected. The difference between Clinton and Bush is when
"Bubba" lied about getting blowjobs in the oval office nobody got
killed.

[N***@gmail.com]

Post by n***@hotmail.com
Whether Bush lied about the reasons for invading Iraq is still
debatable I guess. Though I think fewer and fewer people are willing
to believe any of his earlier claims. The whole Iraq involvment in 911
and wmd excuses didn't pan out so he just went the "bringing democracy
to the people of Iraq" route.

It isn't "debatable" at all. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that
Bush lied about the "reasons" for going to Iraq, and the reasons are
in fact, self-evident.

Everyone on the planet believed that Saddam had WMD, given that he had
previously used them on his own people and he certainly was ACTING as
though he had them. That they haven't been found should be only a
minor annoyance for rational people.

Imagine the nightmare scenario had Saddam been allowed to stay in
power then this terrorist came to power in Iran -- history will
reflect the Iraq War was the right decision, AND that Bush was a man
of courage for making it.

The Iraqi people are better off with Saddam dead, and the rest of the
world sure as hell is. That it has degenerated into a self-
destructive insurgency or civil war is tragic, but it is the nature of
the beast.

The rest of Iraq could certainly take a lesson from what the Kurds are
doing, because while these others are fighting it out, the Kurds are
building a future for themselves.

[David]

Post by N***@gmail.com
It isn't "debatable" at all. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that
Bush lied about the "reasons" for going to Iraq, and the reasons are
in fact, self-evident.

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the
Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the
invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit
manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to
terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence‚ -- it was propaganda," she says.
"They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it
sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often
by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong
together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking
points for U.S. officials‚ -- including ominous lines in speeches by
President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of
State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last
February‚ -- that the administration pushed American public opinion
into supporting an unnecessary war.



http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

[N***@gmail.com]

None of this refutes the facts I stated in the previous post -- that
is, that Saddam had previously possessed and used WMD, practically
EVERYONE believed he possessed WMD (including everyone who had access
to the same intelligence Bush had access to), and Saddam's behavior
certainly suggested it.

If you want to talk about propaganda, talk about that bullshit you
read at mother jones.

[David]

Post by N***@gmail.com
None of this refutes the facts I stated in the previous post -- that
is, that Saddam had previously possessed and used WMD, practically
EVERYONE believed he possessed WMD (including everyone who had access
to the same intelligence Bush had access to), and Saddam's behavior
certainly suggested it.
If you want to talk about propaganda, talk about that bullshit you
read at mother jones.

Are you afraid to consider the alternative to your belief? To find
the truth you must taste all the gumbo.

[Angelfood MacSpade]

Would those WMD (i.e. poison gas and the helicopters to dispense them)
be the same ones the Americans provided to Iraq and were in full
knowledge of his using against Kurds and Iranians yet did not protest
in the slightest until 15 years later when Bush needed every excuse he
could muster to conduct an illegal war upon a country which had
nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11? (In case you didn't know it, the
country that provided the plan, the men and the financing for 9/11 was
Saudi Arabia. Opps...)

Post by N***@gmail.com
None of this refutes the facts I stated in the previous post -- that
is, that Saddam had previously possessed and used WMD, practically
EVERYONE believed he possessed WMD (including everyone who had access
to the same intelligence Bush had access to), and Saddam's behavior
certainly suggested it.
If you want to talk about propaganda, talk about that bullshit you
read at mother jones.

[N***@gmail.com]

Post by Angelfood MacSpade
Would those WMD (i.e. poison gas and the helicopters to dispense them)
be the same ones the Americans provided to Iraq

Typical straw man argument. The United States has to constantly "take
sides" with some country or another, and sometimes those countries
flip. Yes, we supported Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war. Times
change. 60 years ago, Japan was our enemy. Today, that's a different
thing.

Post by Angelfood MacSpade
and were in full knowledge of his using against Kurds and Iranians yet did not protest in the slightest until 15 years later

Not true.

Once it had been confirmed the original reports were true, the
president's press secretary made the following remark: "Everyone in
the administration saw the same reports you saw last night. They were
horrible, outrageous, disgusting and should serve as a reminder to all
countries of why chemical warfare should be banned."

The Reagan Administration condemned the attacks as a "grave violation"
of international law.

It was not something the United States, nor the international
community, would have gone to war over.

In future posts, you may want to rephrase what you're claiming. The
United States and others did condemn the actions at the time, and
that's really about all that could have been done.

Post by Angelfood MacSpade
when Bush needed every excuse he could muster to conduct an illegal war upon a country which had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11?

Illegal war? Bullshit. The US was within its rights under
International Law to go after Saddam at any time after he began
violating the no-fly zone, a condition of the ceasefire of the Gulf
War.

Post by Angelfood MacSpade
(In case you didn't know it, the
country that provided the plan, the men and the financing for 9/11 was
Saudi Arabia. Opps...)

There has been no evidence to suggest that the government of SA had
anything to do with planning or financing 9/11. Certainly, many of
the people (including bin Laden) who were involved were of Saudi
descent, but there has been nothing credible to suggest the government
was complicit.


Your post is one more example of ignorant revisionism.

[vince]

Post by N***@gmail.com
It isn't "debatable" at all. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that
Bush lied about the "reasons" for going to Iraq, and the reasons are
in fact, self-evident.

Would you tell me about your father and your relationship with him?
Also, tell me about the relationship btw your mom and dad. This
might help explain your thought process to me. Thanks.

[Randy Mitchell]

Post by David

Post by Randy Mitchell

Post by David
So, since Bill Clinton did the same thing, it's OK if Bush lies too?

Exactly what did Bush lie about?
J. Randy

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that
said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
--------------------------------
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Once again I ask, what did Bush lie about?

J. Randy