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Kevin
2008-05-29 16:29:53 UTC
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Hey Kevin Martin at the FCC:

I'm getting real tired of paying for two full subscriptions for XM and
Sirius ($25.98 a month) while you and your cronies sit around worrying about
how letting these two companies merge is going to cost consumers more money.
Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
2008-05-31 12:28:02 UTC
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Post by Kevin
I'm getting real tired of paying for two full subscriptions for XM and
Sirius ($25.98 a month)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Kevin
2008-06-01 01:43:24 UTC
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Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Terrestrial Radio that's who.

"Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Post by Kevin
I'm getting real tired of paying for two full subscriptions for XM and
Sirius ($25.98 a month)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
BaJoRi
2008-06-02 23:18:47 UTC
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Post by Kevin
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Terrestrial Radio that's who.
And as satellite radio is giving poor and repetitive programming also, what
is the big difference?
Kevin
2008-06-04 11:50:37 UTC
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what is the big difference?
First, I don't find the programming to be poor or repetitive. Second, there
are no commercials
and third, I can drive from New Jersey to Massachusetts five nights a week
without losing
the signal.
That's the big difference.
Post by Kevin
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Terrestrial Radio that's who.
And as satellite radio is giving poor and repetitive programming also,
what is the big difference?
Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
2008-06-07 14:18:44 UTC
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Post by Kevin
I can drive from New Jersey to Massachusetts five nights a week
without losing
the signal.
That's the big difference.
My Ipod never loses the signal. Even on airplanes, in gyms, my
basement workshop, in the Subway... <G>

* I get all my favorite talk shows for free, automatically downloaded,
as podcasts.
* I have almost 1600 songs on it and it's not full.
* If I spend the same per month as I did on satellite radio, I have
plenty of new material, which I can sample before I buy.

Did I mention the incredible sound quality compared to satellite?

Every so often, I find more XM gear laying around the house that I
haven't thrown away. It only reminds me how I don't miss it at all.
YKW (ad hoc)
2008-06-08 05:43:51 UTC
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"Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Post by Kevin
I can drive from New Jersey to Massachusetts five nights a week
without losing
the signal.
That's the big difference.
My Ipod never loses the signal. Even on airplanes, in gyms, my
basement workshop, in the Subway... <G>
* I get all my favorite talk shows for free, automatically downloaded,
as podcasts.
Lucky you. Most long-form talk programming on XM is either unavailable in
podcast form or requires a subscription to the program's website.
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
* I have almost 1600 songs on it and it's not full.
My Inno has about a thousand and it's not quite full. And I can
theoretically sample hundreds of thousands of additional songs for the
price of my subscriptions -- songs I've never heard before, songs I'd
never have heard locked in an iTunes/iPod universe.
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
* If I spend the same per month as I did on satellite radio, I have
plenty of new material, which I can sample before I buy.
What, maybe forty minutes of music each month for the price of an XM sub?
That's "plenty"?
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Did I mention the incredible sound quality compared to satellite?
I'll hold the live XMRO stream up for comparison with 128 kb/s DRM'd
badly-outdated AAC crud any day of the week.
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Every so often, I find more XM gear laying around the house that I
haven't thrown away. It only reminds me how I don't miss it at all.
I have several portable digital players. Had 'em before I had XM. Have
literally thousands of CDs (and, if I have time to kill, thousands more
cassette tapes) to use as source material for those players. And yet, a
few years back, I found myself spending most of my home listening time
not on anything in my own collection, but on AOL's suite of XM channels.

That was when I made the jump.

There's a quality to well-programmed -- =professionally= programmed --
music streams that makes listening to them an absolute delight, in ways
that even the biggest and best-stocked iPod can't ever match. There's an
element of surprise, wonder and discovery that the blindered nature of
the iPod can't match.

If you'd rather lock yourself into the same 1600 songs forever, hey,
that's your business. Me, I'll take the endless possibilities XM gives
me. Not to mention all the news, talk and sports programming I'd also
never hear elsewhere. All for less than the price of a single CD each
month.
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Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
2008-06-08 11:36:54 UTC
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Post by YKW (ad hoc)
Lucky you. Most long-form talk programming on XM is either unavailable in
podcast form or requires a subscription to the program's website.
Like what?

I get:
Clark Howard
Ray Lucia
Dr. Joy Brown
Avweb Audiocasts
Click and Clack "Car Talk"

As well as several _excellent_ semi-pro podcasts that aren't aired
anywhere. All free and available when I want to listen! <G>

Some syndicated shows have commercials, but they are easily skipped,
as radio shows have standard time slots for ads. Clark Howard is
commercial-free, but delayed a day or two until it airs, respecting
his broadcast partners.

I do pay for "Money Talk", but XM dropped that show because THEY had
to pay ABC for it. <G>

Last summer, while on vacation, I was simply blown away at the lack of
good talk on XM. Did you ever notice how many shows are XM only (the
marketeers call them "Exclusives")? That's because they're cheap to
produce, with no syndication fees required by popular shows.

Ray Lucia has publicly stated on his show that XM won't pay him what
he needs, so no RL for XM. The dropping of "Money Talk" was the last
straw. For years, I was able to hear MT without local sports
pre-emptions on XM. As I recall XM dropped a bunch of ABC shows at
the same time.
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
* If I spend the same per month as I did on satellite radio, I have
plenty of new material, which I can sample before I buy.
What, maybe forty minutes of music each month for the price of an XM sub?
That's "plenty"?
Fair point.

The thing is, with XM I doubt I hear 40 minutes of NEW material every
month that I would bother to listen to again, much less buy.
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Did I mention the incredible sound quality compared to satellite?
I'll hold the live XMRO stream up for comparison with 128 kb/s DRM'd
badly-outdated AAC crud any day of the week.
I still get XM, included with my DirecTV subscription, and with
weather data fed to my airplane's GPS system. I compare XM to other
sources on a regular basis.

My complaint with XM is that very few channels are allowed the
bandwidth to sound as good as they should. For instance, Fine Tuning
displayed what could be. The overall experience is a lower quality,
with channels like Squizz sounding downright horrible.
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
If you'd rather lock yourself into the same 1600 songs forever, hey,
that's your business. Me, I'll take the endless possibilities XM gives
me. Not to mention all the news, talk and sports programming I'd also
never hear elsewhere. All for less than the price of a single CD each
month.
Yet you complain, which is why I posted to begin with... <G>

BTW, what happens to your recorded music collection if you cancel your
subscription?
YKW (ad hoc)
2008-06-08 21:42:59 UTC
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"Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
Lucky you. Most long-form talk programming on XM is either unavailable
in podcast form or requires a subscription to the program's website.
Like what?
Clark Howard
Ray Lucia
Dr. Joy Brown
Avweb Audiocasts
Click and Clack "Car Talk"
As well as several _excellent_ semi-pro podcasts that aren't aired
anywhere. All free and available when I want to listen! <G>
All wonderful -- hey, I do Levin, "Wait! Wait!" and Hewitt the same way.

But XM also brings in stuff like Handel and Liddy and Ingraham and Beck
and LaPorte that aren't available as free podcasts, and can't-miss shows
like Unmasked and Baseball Confidential and Baseball Beat that aren't
available =anywhere= else. (I imagine AAR show podcasts can't be had for
free, either, despite what their rhetoric would lead you to think.)
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Some syndicated shows have commercials, but they are easily skipped,
as radio shows have standard time slots for ads. Clark Howard is
commercial-free, but delayed a day or two until it airs, respecting
his broadcast partners.
I do pay for "Money Talk", but XM dropped that show because THEY had
to pay ABC for it. <G>
Last summer, while on vacation, I was simply blown away at the lack of
good talk on XM. Did you ever notice how many shows are XM only (the
marketeers call them "Exclusives")? That's because they're cheap to
produce, with no syndication fees required by popular shows.
Honestly, no. Sure, maybe it's cheap to produce Minors & Majors, or
Rancid Radio, or POTUS 08. But it's definitely not cheap to produce
Artist Confidential. It's =extremely= not cheap to produce Oprah &
Friends.

The point of those shows isn't to produce something cheap; the point is
to produce something that drives people to subscribe, to get something
that they either a) can't get in a reliable or convenient form or b)
can't get =period= elsewhere. But only if the costs of creating this
programming can be shown to produce sufficient revenues to justify their
existence.
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Ray Lucia has publicly stated on his show that XM won't pay him what
he needs, so no RL for XM. The dropping of "Money Talk" was the last
straw. For years, I was able to hear MT without local sports
pre-emptions on XM.
Honestly, =should= they pay him? Lucia isn't the top money guy in radio.
He's not number two or three. Not even top-five. Probably not even top-
ten, if we count some TV guys/shows offering their audio feeds to radio.
Is he anything resembling a household name? Is he going to drive
subscribers to XM? Enough subscribers to pay for his program? Nah.
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
As I recall XM dropped a bunch of ABC shows at
the same time.
Actually, ABC stopped providing a dedicated channel for XM to carry. ABC
also ceased offering nearly all their syndicated talk programming at the
same time; what little was still available to XM was folded into other
channels' lineups.
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
* If I spend the same per month as I did on satellite radio, I have
plenty of new material, which I can sample before I buy.
What, maybe forty minutes of music each month for the price of an XM
sub? That's "plenty"?
Fair point.
The thing is, with XM I doubt I hear 40 minutes of NEW material every
month that I would bother to listen to again, much less buy.
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Did I mention the incredible sound quality compared to satellite?
I'll hold the live XMRO stream up for comparison with 128 kb/s DRM'd
badly-outdated AAC crud any day of the week.
I still get XM, included with my DirecTV subscription, and with
weather data fed to my airplane's GPS system. I compare XM to other
sources on a regular basis.
My complaint with XM is that very few channels are allowed the
bandwidth to sound as good as they should. For instance, Fine Tuning
displayed what could be. The overall experience is a lower quality,
with channels like Squizz sounding downright horrible.
Compared to CD, sure. Compared to iTunes-encodes, maybe. Compared to
terrestrial, very debateable. The only local I'd say sounds better than
its XM counterparts would be our classical station. Most rock and pop
stations are currently processed to sound as flat as possible -- the
better to serve as unobtrusive background sounds -- whereas XM seems to
use at least some form of multi-band processing to maintain a level of
"pop".
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Post by YKW (ad hoc)
If you'd rather lock yourself into the same 1600 songs forever, hey,
that's your business. Me, I'll take the endless possibilities XM gives
me. Not to mention all the news, talk and sports programming I'd also
never hear elsewhere. All for less than the price of a single CD each
month.
Yet you complain, which is why I posted to begin with... <G>
BTW, what happens to your recorded music collection if you cancel your
subscription?
Don't see that happening any time soon but... well, let's just say that,
if it should come to that, I have my ways of saving what I really want to
save. :)
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BaJoRi
2008-06-09 21:45:36 UTC
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Post by Kevin
what is the big difference?
First, I don't find the programming to be poor or repetitive. Second,
there are no commercials
Not repetitive? You have to be kidding me. This has happened several times
over the past month. I get out of my car once I get to work, and a certain
act will be playing. I get back into my car to leave from work and the EXACT
same group will be playing, oft-times the exact same tune. Flipping through
the channels yesterday I came across Sophie B. Hawkins "Damn, I Wish I Was
Your Lover" on one channel, dialed up to another channel, which was also
playing that tune. then dialed it up to a third channel that played it about
15 minutes later. When I first got Sirius, it was even worse. One time the
following channels were playing U2's "Angel of Harlem" simultaneously (9,
12, 18), and within one hour I heard that same tune on other channels (22
and 23).

If you try to say that Sirius is not repetitive, you are lying.
Post by Kevin
and third, I can drive from New Jersey to Massachusetts five nights a week
without losing
the signal.
That's the big difference.
Post by Kevin
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Terrestrial Radio that's who.
And as satellite radio is giving poor and repetitive programming also,
what is the big difference?
Kevin
2008-06-09 23:26:23 UTC
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A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
what is the big difference?
First, I don't find the programming to be poor or repetitive. Second,
there are no commercials
Not repetitive? You have to be kidding me. This has happened several times
over the past month. I get out of my car once I get to work, and a certain
act will be playing. I get back into my car to leave from work and the
EXACT same group will be playing, oft-times the exact same tune. Flipping
through the channels yesterday I came across Sophie B. Hawkins "Damn, I
Wish I Was Your Lover" on one channel, dialed up to another channel, which
was also playing that tune. then dialed it up to a third channel that
played it about 15 minutes later. When I first got Sirius, it was even
worse. One time the following channels were playing U2's "Angel of Harlem"
simultaneously (9, 12, 18), and within one hour I heard that same tune on
other channels (22 and 23).
If you try to say that Sirius is not repetitive, you are lying.
Post by Kevin
and third, I can drive from New Jersey to Massachusetts five nights a
week without losing
the signal.
That's the big difference.
Post by Kevin
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Terrestrial Radio that's who.
And as satellite radio is giving poor and repetitive programming also,
what is the big difference?
BaJoRi
2008-06-10 21:22:03 UTC
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Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within each
channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you find. I went to
Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5 pm in the early
evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on various Sirius channels;
5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have been played 5 times on 22,
today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE times today. Howard Jones 4 times.
So, just taking one channel, naming only 4 performers, we have 23 tracks
before 5pm. Now add just one or two more stalwarts like the Smiths (3),
Simple Minds (4), and you MIGHT see what I am getting at.

Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL! Simple
Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode (12). And no
matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by any great amount. The
same things, over and over and over again. Meanwhile, great performers like
Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy Dolls, and others have NEVER seen the light
of day. They played the Damned for the first time I had ever heard
yesterday. I almost crashed the car in surprise.

And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs, proving
the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
what is the big difference?
First, I don't find the programming to be poor or repetitive. Second,
there are no commercials
Not repetitive? You have to be kidding me. This has happened several
times over the past month. I get out of my car once I get to work, and a
certain act will be playing. I get back into my car to leave from work
and the EXACT same group will be playing, oft-times the exact same tune.
Flipping through the channels yesterday I came across Sophie B. Hawkins
"Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover" on one channel, dialed up to another
channel, which was also playing that tune. then dialed it up to a third
channel that played it about 15 minutes later. When I first got Sirius,
it was even worse. One time the following channels were playing U2's
"Angel of Harlem" simultaneously (9, 12, 18), and within one hour I heard
that same tune on other channels (22 and 23).
If you try to say that Sirius is not repetitive, you are lying.
Post by Kevin
and third, I can drive from New Jersey to Massachusetts five nights a
week without losing
the signal.
That's the big difference.
Post by Kevin
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Who is forcing you to subscribe?
Terrestrial Radio that's who.
And as satellite radio is giving poor and repetitive programming also,
what is the big difference?
BaJoRi
2008-06-10 21:24:22 UTC
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Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within each
channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you find. I went
to Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5 pm in the early
evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on various Sirius
channels; 5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have been played 5 times
on 22, today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE times today. Howard Jones
4 times. So, just taking one channel, naming only 4 performers, we have 23
tracks before 5pm. Now add just one or two more stalwarts like the Smiths
(3), Simple Minds (4), and you MIGHT see what I am getting at.
Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL!
Simple Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode (12). And
no matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by any great amount.
The same things, over and over and over again. Meanwhile, great performers
like Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy Dolls, and others have NEVER seen
the light of day. They played the Damned for the first time I had ever
heard yesterday. I almost crashed the car in surprise.
And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs,
proving the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
P.S. Look at Channel 24 up until 5:15 today. Pearl Jam has been played
TWELVE times already
Kevin
2008-06-11 16:11:26 UTC
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God bless you that you have enough time on your hands to sit there and check
playlists.

The OP was written tongue in cheek to point out the irony in the FCC
dragging it's feet on the merger of XM and Sirius, under the guise of
concern that customers would be overcharged. Meanwhile anyone wanting the
offerings of both services pays far more than the most expensive package
that the merged companies have proposed.

No need for name calling, douche bag.
Post by BaJoRi
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within each
channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you find. I went
to Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5 pm in the early
evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on various Sirius
channels; 5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have been played 5
times on 22, today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE times today. Howard
Jones 4 times. So, just taking one channel, naming only 4 performers, we
have 23 tracks before 5pm. Now add just one or two more stalwarts like
the Smiths (3), Simple Minds (4), and you MIGHT see what I am getting at.
Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL!
Simple Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode (12).
And no matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by any great
amount. The same things, over and over and over again. Meanwhile, great
performers like Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy Dolls, and others have
NEVER seen the light of day. They played the Damned for the first time I
had ever heard yesterday. I almost crashed the car in surprise.
And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs,
proving the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
P.S. Look at Channel 24 up until 5:15 today. Pearl Jam has been played
TWELVE times already
BaJoRi
2008-06-11 17:24:34 UTC
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Post by Kevin
God bless you that you have enough time on your hands to sit there and
check playlists.
The OP was written tongue in cheek to point out the irony in the FCC
dragging it's feet on the merger of XM and Sirius, under the guise of
concern that customers would be overcharged. Meanwhile anyone wanting the
offerings of both services pays far more than the most expensive package
that the merged companies have proposed.
No need for name calling, douche bag.
Nice dodge, jerkoff. The thread had run where you were denying any
repetitive nature in Sirius programming. I proved otherwise. Instead of
conceding the point with grace, you need to try and change the subject
because you do not have the testicles to be man enough to admit you were
wrong. As for the amount of time it took me to run the playlists, 5 minutes
is all it took to get that information. And that time was well spent, just
to prove you to be an idiot.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within each
channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you find. I went
to Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5 pm in the early
evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on various Sirius
channels; 5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have been played 5
times on 22, today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE times today.
Howard Jones 4 times. So, just taking one channel, naming only 4
performers, we have 23 tracks before 5pm. Now add just one or two more
stalwarts like the Smiths (3), Simple Minds (4), and you MIGHT see what
I am getting at.
Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL!
Simple Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode (12).
And no matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by any great
amount. The same things, over and over and over again. Meanwhile, great
performers like Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy Dolls, and others have
NEVER seen the light of day. They played the Damned for the first time I
had ever heard yesterday. I almost crashed the car in surprise.
And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs,
proving the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
P.S. Look at Channel 24 up until 5:15 today. Pearl Jam has been played
TWELVE times already
Kevin
2008-06-11 20:07:55 UTC
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So who's forcing YOU to subscribe asswipe.
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
God bless you that you have enough time on your hands to sit there and
check playlists.
The OP was written tongue in cheek to point out the irony in the FCC
dragging it's feet on the merger of XM and Sirius, under the guise of
concern that customers would be overcharged. Meanwhile anyone wanting
the offerings of both services pays far more than the most expensive
package that the merged companies have proposed.
No need for name calling, douche bag.
Nice dodge, jerkoff. The thread had run where you were denying any
repetitive nature in Sirius programming. I proved otherwise. Instead of
conceding the point with grace, you need to try and change the subject
because you do not have the testicles to be man enough to admit you were
wrong. As for the amount of time it took me to run the playlists, 5
minutes is all it took to get that information. And that time was well
spent, just to prove you to be an idiot.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within
each channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you find.
I went to Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5 pm in
the early evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on various
Sirius channels; 5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have been
played 5 times on 22, today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE times
today. Howard Jones 4 times. So, just taking one channel, naming only 4
performers, we have 23 tracks before 5pm. Now add just one or two more
stalwarts like the Smiths (3), Simple Minds (4), and you MIGHT see what
I am getting at.
Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL!
Simple Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode (12).
And no matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by any great
amount. The same things, over and over and over again. Meanwhile, great
performers like Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy Dolls, and others have
NEVER seen the light of day. They played the Damned for the first time
I had ever heard yesterday. I almost crashed the car in surprise.
And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs,
proving the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
P.S. Look at Channel 24 up until 5:15 today. Pearl Jam has been played
TWELVE times already
BaJoRi
2008-06-12 17:00:14 UTC
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Post by Kevin
So who's forcing YOU to subscribe asswipe.
No one, actually. I was given one of those lifetime items as a Christmas
present. And I like listening to Howard, as well as the sports coverage. But
it's nice to see that you still don't have the balls to admit you were
wrong.

Channel 24 played Pearl Jam 17 times yesterday, and a dozen times already
today. That isn't repetitive at all. Do you work for Sirius? Because only a
company man would be so obtuse as to ignore such a basic fact that is so
easily proven. Way to go, jerkoff.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
God bless you that you have enough time on your hands to sit there and
check playlists.
The OP was written tongue in cheek to point out the irony in the FCC
dragging it's feet on the merger of XM and Sirius, under the guise of
concern that customers would be overcharged. Meanwhile anyone wanting
the offerings of both services pays far more than the most expensive
package that the merged companies have proposed.
No need for name calling, douche bag.
Nice dodge, jerkoff. The thread had run where you were denying any
repetitive nature in Sirius programming. I proved otherwise. Instead of
conceding the point with grace, you need to try and change the subject
because you do not have the testicles to be man enough to admit you were
wrong. As for the amount of time it took me to run the playlists, 5
minutes is all it took to get that information. And that time was well
spent, just to prove you to be an idiot.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within
each channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you find.
I went to Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5 pm in
the early evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on various
Sirius channels; 5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have been
played 5 times on 22, today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE times
today. Howard Jones 4 times. So, just taking one channel, naming only
4 performers, we have 23 tracks before 5pm. Now add just one or two
more stalwarts like the Smiths (3), Simple Minds (4), and you MIGHT
see what I am getting at.
Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL!
Simple Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode (12).
And no matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by any great
amount. The same things, over and over and over again. Meanwhile,
great performers like Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy Dolls, and
others have NEVER seen the light of day. They played the Damned for
the first time I had ever heard yesterday. I almost crashed the car in
surprise.
And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs,
proving the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
P.S. Look at Channel 24 up until 5:15 today. Pearl Jam has been played
TWELVE times already
Kevin
2008-06-13 13:11:04 UTC
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So let's recap...
I subscribe to satellite radio, I enjoy it, I think it's great. I would
like it a lot better if I didn't have to incorporate two radios and two
separate subscriptions to obtain the services of XM and Sirius.
You think Sirius has poor programming and is too repetitive.
I have 30 buttons preset on my Sirius radio and 36 on XM so I really DON'T
experience the repetition problem you describe.
I also enjoy Howard.
I don't understand the whole monitoring the channels and analyzing the
playlists thing but hey to each his own.
Just in case you weren't aware, the lifetime memberships that I've looked
into were for the lifetime of the radio and not necessarily the lifetime of
the subscriber.
It's been fun doing battle. Truce.
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
So who's forcing YOU to subscribe asswipe.
No one, actually. I was given one of those lifetime items as a Christmas
present. And I like listening to Howard, as well as the sports coverage.
But it's nice to see that you still don't have the balls to admit you were
wrong.
Channel 24 played Pearl Jam 17 times yesterday, and a dozen times already
today. That isn't repetitive at all. Do you work for Sirius? Because only
a company man would be so obtuse as to ignore such a basic fact that is so
easily proven. Way to go, jerkoff.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
God bless you that you have enough time on your hands to sit there and
check playlists.
The OP was written tongue in cheek to point out the irony in the FCC
dragging it's feet on the merger of XM and Sirius, under the guise of
concern that customers would be overcharged. Meanwhile anyone wanting
the offerings of both services pays far more than the most expensive
package that the merged companies have proposed.
No need for name calling, douche bag.
Nice dodge, jerkoff. The thread had run where you were denying any
repetitive nature in Sirius programming. I proved otherwise. Instead of
conceding the point with grace, you need to try and change the subject
because you do not have the testicles to be man enough to admit you were
wrong. As for the amount of time it took me to run the playlists, 5
minutes is all it took to get that information. And that time was well
spent, just to prove you to be an idiot.
Post by Kevin
Post by BaJoRi
Post by BaJoRi
Post by Kevin
A couple of channels played the same songs over the course of a month.
You're right, I stand corrected. Satellite radio is crazy repetitive.
Jerkoff, try reading comprehension. You seem to have missed the word
"simultaneously". Try this: go to any site that publishes the Sirius
playlists, channel by Channel, and just look at the repetion within
each channel. View a week's worth of playlists, and see what you
find. I went to Dogstarradio.com and just typed in U2. Here it is, 5
pm in the early evening, and so far U2 has been played 39 times on
various Sirius channels; 5 times on 22, 4 times on 9. The Police have
been played 5 times on 22, today. Depeche Mode has been played NINE
times today. Howard Jones 4 times. So, just taking one channel,
naming only 4 performers, we have 23 tracks before 5pm. Now add just
one or two more stalwarts like the Smiths (3), Simple Minds (4), and
you MIGHT see what I am getting at.
Then I go back to the ninth, and those numbers are NEARLY IDENTICAL!
Simple Minds (6), U2 (13), Police (8), Smiths (9), Depeche Mode
(12). And no matter what day I choose, these numbers NEVER vary by
any great amount. The same things, over and over and over again.
Meanwhile, great performers like Billy Bragg, Modern Talking, Toy
Dolls, and others have NEVER seen the light of day. They played the
Damned for the first time I had ever heard yesterday. I almost
crashed the car in surprise.
And I can do the EXACT same thing with most any channel Sirius runs,
proving the repetition. So it's my proof versus your whiny denials.
P.S. Look at Channel 24 up until 5:15 today. Pearl Jam has been played
TWELVE times already
Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
2008-06-14 22:33:56 UTC
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Post by Kevin
I also enjoy Howard.
Do you prefer the "new" version of the show, or the old, no swearing
version?

Personally, I loved Howard for years, maybe with the exception of his
last year or two on terrestrial radio after the FCC picked on him.
I've only heard a few hours of the uncensored show, but didn't like it
as much as when he "tested the line", for lack of a better term.

What do you think of the differences?
Kevin
2008-06-15 02:59:13 UTC
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I think the cursing makes the show sound low rent.
It's not so much Howard, but any time Artie opens his mouth you know the F
word is coming out. Saying Fuck when your truly angry or really charged up
is one thing but saying it when just discussing the news or what was on TV
is disingenuous. He claims to be a life long fan of the show and yet he
doesn't get it, the show was never about cursing, it was about being funny,
pushing the erotic envelope and most of all being honest.
I like when the gang just hangs out and shoots the breeze. I can do without
the Sal & Richard phony phone calls, I find them to be tedious.
I like Jon Hein, but because he works for Howard now, there are no more Jump
the Shark segments, which I thought were really well thought out and
interesting.
All in all, I still like a majority of the show, I just wish Artie would
learn when to shut the F up. Especially during the hot chick interviews.
He chimes in with some vulgar comments or curses which in turn ruins the
erotic atmosphere of interview that Howard is trying to create.
I think Howard is one of the best interviewers around. He's made some
pretty boring people come across as really interesting.

"Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)"
Post by Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
Post by Kevin
I also enjoy Howard.
Do you prefer the "new" version of the show, or the old, no swearing
version?
Personally, I loved Howard for years, maybe with the exception of his
last year or two on terrestrial radio after the FCC picked on him.
I've only heard a few hours of the uncensored show, but didn't like it
as much as when he "tested the line", for lack of a better term.
What do you think of the differences?
Valued Corporate #120,345 Employee (B A R R Y)
2008-06-22 11:38:39 UTC
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Post by Kevin
I think Howard is one of the best interviewers around. He's made some
pretty boring people come across as really interesting.
I always thought interviewing was his greatest skill.

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